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1 Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:28 pm

This topic is for the discussion of the interregional vice-president.

We need to be sure we give the VP enough of a job to make the office worthwhile, but as a secondary executive he/she cannot hold too much authority. Here are the two things that I propose:
--The VP will serve as an adviser to the president or other officials when needed.
--The VP is the chairman of the upper house of the legislature; he/she will count votes there.

Thoughts?

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2 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:55 pm

Zwotstyg wrote:This topic is for the discussion of the interregional vice-president.

We need to be sure we give the VP enough of a job to make the office worthwhile, but as a secondary executive he/she cannot hold too much authority. Here are the two things that I propose:
--The VP will serve as an adviser to the president or other officials when needed.
--The VP is the chairman of the upper house of the legislature; he/she will count votes there.

Thoughts?
Perfect. Also, in the event that the president cannot carry out the rest of his/her term the VP would be successor until the next election.

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3 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:56 pm

By chairman, do you mean a position similar to the Speaker of the House in RL?

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4 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:59 pm

Othelos wrote:By chairman, do you mean a position similar to the Speaker of the House in RL?
Since the Senate will have an even number of Representatives, in the event of a tie, the VP will break it with his vote. The VP also counts the votes in the Senate. I don't think he could really give direction in the Senate since it is practically a check to the GA and the President.

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5 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:03 pm

Federation of Zera wrote:
Othelos wrote:By chairman, do you mean a position similar to the Speaker of the House in RL?
Since the Senate will have an even number of Representatives, in the event of a tie, the VP will break it with his vote.  The VP also counts the votes in the Senate.  I don't think he could really give direction in the Senate since it is practically a check to the GA and the President.
Alright. Then I can agree with the proposed.

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6 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:47 pm

Looking back on previous forum post we never decided if the VP will be appointed or elected. I think it should be appointed.

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7 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:39 pm

Federation of Zera wrote:Looking back on previous forum post we never decided if the VP will be appointed or elected.  I think it should be appointed.
Naturally, the VP would go along with the Presidential candidate. So I agree.

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8 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:07 pm

Othelos wrote:By chairman, do you mean a position similar to the Speaker of the House in RL?
Similar. Like Zera said, the VP's vote would break a tie--although there's no need to wait for a tie for him/her to vote. SInce it's an odd number, we should simply go ahead and give the VP voting rights with or without a tie. Also, the VP would simply keep the Senate doing what it's supposed to do. In other words, once a proposal passes the president, the VP is responsible for introducing/posting it to the Senate for a debate and a vote. As stated as well, the VP would be the one to count votes for Senate decisions.

Furthermore, Zera, I like your idea on the VP taking the president's place, and I also agree that the VP should be appointed by the president. Let's not do that in the form a running mates, which would complicate things a little; instead, we should just have the president appoint his/her VP after election.

So, any more suggestions or opinions?

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9 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:43 pm

I'm fine with your suggestion.

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10 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:08 pm

Yep. I think that our only big debate was actually agreeing on what offices to have and the President.

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11 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:07 am

Okay, we'll wait for everyone else to read over this and come to a decision. I also proposed, in the last topic, that the VP should appoint the head of the General Assembly. What are your thoughts on that? I wrote a couple reasons for that where I proposed it--it's under the Elections, Policy and Terms, then under my suggestions for the legislature.

If everyone can agree to that and no more suggestions are made, we'll consider the VP finished. All the other topics have now been posted as well, so go through all of them and reply to them as you can.

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12 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:20 am

If the VP is appointed, he shouldn't be given tie-breaking rights. Also, the head of the general assembly should be elected by the general assembly. On a final note, while i agree that the VP should take over the President's duties if he becomes incapable, he would only be acting president until an election should be called as soon as possible.

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13 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:05 am

Well, you realize that someone needs to do that; there will always be an even number of Senators or whatever we call them. Since the VP is directing the upper house, it's only fair that he be allowed to vote in it. It doesn't give him a ridiculous amount of authority, as his/her vote will rarely make a difference among 16 other people. It just helps avoid unnecessary bureaucratic procedures. Also, the problem with electing the head of the GA is that each region will have an odd number of representatives there; that means an even number of people. That could result in a tie vote unless one more person is added; that's why I suggested the VP should appoint him/her, so that there won't be a tie.

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14 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:41 pm

Xin Prussia wrote:If the VP is appointed, he shouldn't be given tie-breaking rights. Also, the head of the general assembly should be elected by the general assembly. On a final note, while i agree that the VP should take over the President's duties if he becomes incapable, he would only be acting president until an election should be called as soon as possible.
Normally, I would agree with you, but the VP is outnumbered 16 to 1, so his/her votes isn't likely to matter very much. As for being the head of the Senate (or whatever we choose to call it), that position deals mostly with procedure, so it doesn't matter.

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15 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:22 pm

I think that the Speaker should be elected by the General Assembly.

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16 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:44 pm

I don't mind either way, I guess.

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17 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:49 pm

Federation of Zera wrote:I think that the Speaker should be elected by the General Assembly.
The problem with that is the fact that there will always be an even number of representatives in the GA. That means they can't elect one of their own people; they'd have to choose some person from one of the four regions, which would be extremely hard to do without guidance. It would be much easier to allow the VP to appoint the head of the GA, and it would also expand his/her authority a little.

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18 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:21 pm

But see I was thinking that we allow one representative per five nations in each region. Not based on percentages.

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19 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:24 pm

That's still percentage; it's 20%. You're just writing it a different way.

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20 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:21 am

Zwotstyg wrote:
Federation of Zera wrote:I think that the Speaker should be elected by the General Assembly.
The problem with that is the fact that there will always be an even number of representatives in the GA. That means they can't elect one of their own people; they'd have to choose some person from one of the four regions, which would be extremely hard to do without guidance. It would be much easier to allow the VP to appoint the head of the GA, and it would also expand his/her authority a little.
How about we compromise: The GA can elect their head, and in the event of a tie the VP can be a tiebreaker.

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21 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:05 pm

That's not a bad idea--the problem is, how are we going to have the GA pick people to elect? If we use nominations and all, it'll be tacking on a whole new election, which will take about another week. That's the reason I suggested the VP appoint him/her; it would only take one day for the VP to select someone. It's not adding very much power--all it's really doing is choosing another legislator, because the Speaker has no more authority than any of the others, it's just that he/she is responsible for guiding the GA.

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22 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:13 pm

Zwotstyg wrote:That's not a bad idea--the problem is, how are we going to have the GA pick people to elect? If we use nominations and all, it'll be tacking on a whole new election, which will take about another week. That's the reason I suggested the VP appoint him/her; it would only take one day for the VP to select someone. It's not adding very much power--all it's really doing is choosing another legislator, because the Speaker has no more authority than any of the others, it's just that he/she is responsible for guiding the GA.
Yeah. It's more administrative than anything.

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23 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:32 pm

Othelos wrote:
Zwotstyg wrote:That's not a bad idea--the problem is, how are we going to have the GA pick people to elect? If we use nominations and all, it'll be tacking on a whole new election, which will take about another week. That's the reason I suggested the VP appoint him/her; it would only take one day for the VP to select someone. It's not adding very much power--all it's really doing is choosing another legislator, because the Speaker has no more authority than any of the others, it's just that he/she is responsible for guiding the GA.
Yeah. It's more administrative than anything.
That's simply not true. Counting the votes is a massive power, as you can simply misrepresent the votecount to whatever you desire. It's very bad to give such a responsibility to an appointed role rather than an elected. I'm sure everyone would feel a lot more at ease if someone they elected was counting the votes.

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24 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:40 pm

Well, back to the debate we had a while back, the president is the position on top here that is elected. If someone is elected as the president, he/she is obviously going to be very responsible to have gained the approval of the majority of 200 people. With that responsibility, the president will appoint a VP who is also responsible. As a responsible VP, he/she will choose a responsible Speaker. Think again of the example I provided: someone of your own or Othelos' caliber would likely be the type placed in a high interregional position such as the Speaker. Would you cheat on votes, or would Othelos? Neither of you would do that; similarly, anyone with the responsibility to reach such a position will act in the same way as you.

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25 Re: Interregional Vice-President on Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:39 am

Zwotstyg wrote:Well, back to the debate we had a while back, the president is the position on top here that is elected. If someone is elected as the president, he/she is obviously going to be very responsible to have gained the approval of the majority of 200 people. With that responsibility, the president will appoint a VP who is also responsible. As a responsible VP, he/she will choose a responsible Speaker. Think again of the example I provided: someone of your own or Othelos' caliber would likely be the type placed in a high interregional position such as the Speaker. Would you cheat on votes, or would Othelos? Neither of you would do that; similarly, anyone with the responsibility to reach such a position will act in the same way as you.
That's a very dangerous assumption.

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